Selling panties

I make up to £4,000 a month selling my used underwear online

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As I uploaded a photo of myself in a lace thong and matching bralette, I thought about what caption I should put with it. I settled on ‘I’m down for anything’.

It was my first time selling used underwear online and within days, strangers on the internet began messaging me, requesting I do various activities – including s***ing myself – and then send my lingerie to them.

That’s when I realised maybe being down for ‘anything’ was the wrong choice of word.

Eventually I found a buyer I was comfortable with (who wanted me to send the items as is), wrapped up my underwear ready to post to him in America, and then cashed in my sweet reward.

I can still remember how scared I felt at the post office, because of what was in the parcel. But as it was vacuum sealed and in a box, I knew there was no way people could know what was inside and, thankfully, they didn’t ask.

That was in April 2019 – and just over two years later, I’m still selling my used underwear online and making more money than I do in my full-time retail job.

I first got into it when I was a 22 and at uni, and longed for an extra source of income. Having moved out of my childhood home at an early age I was ready for a level of independence that afforded me some extra comfort in life.

I had heard through friends and social media about people selling their used items online so I scoured websites to suss out how it all worked.

I was so shocked that girls were making good money selling their underwear. I mean, it’s not something you really think about being a job opportunity.

I didn’t jump right into it straight away though. I’d never done anything like it before – I didn’t talk sexually to guys I didn’t know – so at first, it felt a little overwhelming.

I also thought about what my friends and family might think and if it was something I wanted to be attached to. But I did some more research and in the end, the opportunity to make money was too good to pass up, even if it was just going to be a few hundred pounds a year.

The rush really came when I saw the money hit my bank account – around £70

I chose a site devoted to connecting people looking to buy and sell used items, typically underwear, and created my my profile – initially only giving my first name and age.

Then I nervously uploaded my first photo. It felt scary that there was a sultry picture of me on the internet. It was something I’d only sent to boyfriends in the pastbut now it was online for everyone to see.

At first, after creating my profile, I felt anxious about what I was doing and there were so many times when I I almost backed out – but the prospect of earning money was the deciding factor in me staying.

A week later, I’d made my first sale – which was around £70 – and the rush I felt from it was exhilarating. I couldn’t believe what was happening.

The excitement really came though when I saw the money hit my bank account and it made me realise I should put more effort into what I was doing, from uploading more products to interacting with potential buyers.

So for example, if a customer asked if I had anything red or lacy, I’d encourage them to ask what they would like me to do while wearing it. This could be anything from going for a jog in it and getting a bit sweaty to more X-rated stuff like pleasuring myself.

I expected the latter so wasn’t too bothered when the requests started becoming a bit more specific. I just knew that I didn’t want to meet anyone in person or share personal details with them.

Now, if I don’t have the item they’re looking for, I can just order it online to be delivered to me the next day.

If I’m happy and comfortable to accommodate the request, I’ll accept it, do the activity and then mail off the item to the client. It’s not just underwear either – sometimes people will request socks, tights, skirts or even dresses.

I’ll charge around £50 for underwear but more if there are any special requests outside of wearing it for 24 hours.

A few open-minded close friends – who have OnlyFans accounts – know so it’s nice to be able to confide in them

There can also be a bit of back-and-forth with the whole process – they sometimes want to know what you’re up to, what you’re doing with the underwear and how you’re doing it. I’m happy to oblige but I’m also confident in knowing where the line is with what I’m uncomfortable doing.

That includes soiling myself. There’s no shame or judgement from me about doing that, it’s just something I don’t want to do.

One customer only wanted me to cook a meal while wearing the lingerie. Nothing sexual – just cooking food. He didn’t even specify what he wanted me to make so I just cooked my dinner and I got £200 for it. I had to send a video along with the underwear to prove it, which was kind of funny.

Today, I have about 20 regular customers who keep coming back each month and anything on top of that is just a bonus.

I’ve built a rapport with my regular clients and even though I don’t really share too much about myself with them, they open up to me about their lives and I listen.

I quite like that because some of them feel like my friends. When I’m in conversation with them, I sometimes even forget that they’re customers.

I didn’t expect it to be so personal. I thought it was just going to be a transaction with no questions asked. But it’s more about developing relationships with people, they like you and that’s why they buy your stuff.

On average, I make about £1,400 per month but sometimes I’ve made close to £4,000. I know that if I wanted to earn more, I could quit my full-time retail role and run this as my regular source of income but I like having my day job and this on the sidebecause it’s more stable.

I’m always worried that I might not be able to make enough selling my items to cover my expenses. My day job gives me that freedom to not worry about that.

I’m also not completely open with my family about it because I’m not ready to share this side of myself with them yet, so I keep my retail job for a sense of stability. A few open-minded close friends – who have OnlyFans accounts – know so it’s nice to be able to confide in them.

I’m not that fussed that most of my friends and all of my family don’t know about what I do because it’s not really something that I want to discuss with them anyway.

I’m so glad I decided to take the plunge. 

I don’t see myself stopping anytime soon and I think it’s important to share how it all works from the perspective of someone who actually does it so that it’s normalised.

At the end of the day, we all just want to make a better life for ourselves – if you can do that in a safe way while also providing a service that benefits others in a shame-free environment, why not?

Tatiana sells her items via Sofia Gray.

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Some people get off on other people’s dirty underwear. Or socks, tracksuits, or what have you. Some like the strong odor, while others just like the sense of connection that having, or wearing, another person’s intimates creates for them. Regardless of the diverse motives behind them, “panty fetishes” are actually relatively common. From early forums to Craigslist and Reddit and eBay to Twitter and Instagram, fetishists have found a way to use just about every internet tool to find those willing to feed their fetish, easing what might be awkward in-person propositions and transactions.

In recent years, a flood of stories, and an arc in the third season of Orange is the New Black, have insisted that it is so easy for (mostly) women to connect with panty fetishists online that almost anyone can bulk order underwear for pennies, get some stamps, and make tens of thousands of bucksselling their dirty laundry quickly and easily. Some stories make the case you might even be able to find some dude who’ll give you $5,000 for one pair alone.

Despite how easy it supposedly is to find and monetize fetishists online, though, a slew of pay sites were created to facilitate these transactions. A few like PantyTrust date back to the early 2000s, when the online used underwear market was brand spanking new. But many other seemingly popular sites have popped up since 2010: SellYourPanties, 2011; PantyDeal, 2012; SofiaGray, 2015. “There are so many now, I don’t even know them all,” says SellYourPanties co-founder, who goes by Paul. “Every month, I discover another website.” Some charge a one-time fee, some take a commission on every sale, but most seem to charge regular dues of about $10 to $20 per month. Most boast thousands of active users at any given time. PantyDeal, the self-proclaimed biggest site out there, advertises over 460,000 sellers on its home page, although many of those may be old or dead accounts. “We see many registrations everyday on our platform,” says Elsa Angulo, a PantyDeal spokeswoman.

If the used underwear market is supposedly so easy to crack, why do so many sellers opt to shell out for an ever-growing number of pay-to-use platforms, where they will be one user among thousands? As it turns out, Orange is the New Black lied to a generation. Trying to sell panties in forums or on social media or even with your own dedicated website is actually, many sellers seem to agree, incredibly hard. And sometimes it's unsafe. For most, these sites are the only way to find real buyers and avoid nasty interactions. And it’s still hardly easy for most to sell on these sites.

In theory, it is possible to find fetishists and sell to them using a personal website and social media outreach, or forums and classified ads like Craigslist. Twitter, to take one major potential selling portal, tolerates sales and personal site promotion well, as it does most NSFW activities. Reddit has a dedicated sub with a 51,000-strong community of purported buyers and sellers, which seems bumping. And while Craigslist and many similar sites ban underwear sales, many sellers still use them. But fishing in these seas of internet randos often just yields “people looking for free chat services, or who get off sending [unsolicited] dick pics,” says Kit, who’s been selling her underwear online since 2016. There are countless horror stories of (usually) women trying to navigate Craigslist or Reddit for months, sinking hours every week into self-promotion, only to field dozens of escorting or hookup propositions or harassing emails. After all of that, they make a few sales and a couple hundred bucks. Buyers as well often get scammed when trying to make deals on big public forums, says Serena, a former used-panty seller who has run PantyTrust since 2007. Even genuine sellers who deliver on time, she adds, can be “hit or miss in delivering the [precise] items buyers were purchasing.”

Most used underwear pay sites are pretty basic economic triage, attempting to address these issues. PantyTrust, for instance, grew out of an early used panty forum in which buyers commiserated about the number of dubious or unreliable sellers and created lists of reliable, friendly, and fair providers. “Several sellers in the forum at the time appreciated the fact that buyers complaining about getting scammed was bad for the business of all sellers,” recalls Serena. So they formed a site to verify that its sellers were legitimate, thus better serving buyers.

Dedicated platforms, argues Serena, also cut down on the overhead of running one’s own site, and the potential security risks of managing sales through an email address or using payment services that could potentially be traced to one’s name. Perhaps most importantly, though, the sites create communities for sellers to share best practices and weed out buyers who have been abusive or waste the time of providers. “We stick together and help each other out with any issues that may arise,” says Mistress Kimberly, who got her start on Craigslist in 2016 before joining Panty Trust, “including [ideas on] payment options, packaging and mailing, photos and videos.’

This still doesn’t guarantee the easy time or big cash many articles seem to suggest selling used underwear can net, though. Panty selling is a logistically limited practice to start with. Most buyers only want intimates that have been worn for at least one to three days, and there are “only so many pairs of knickers you can wear per week,” says Misssmithxxx , a British seller active on PantyTrust and her own website since 2013. Some providers, eager to up their sales figures, or avoid the yeast and bacteria risks of not changing undies, try to mass-produce artificially scented pairs. But seasoned sellers agree this rarely works. “Buyers are sophisticated fetishists,” says Goddess Virgin, a dominatrix who has sold used underwear on PantyDeal since 2015. “They… will know if you’re trying to take a short cut. They are true connoisseurs, [and have noses] much like the trained senses of a sommelier.”

More importantly, the number of panty fetishists in the world is likely stable, says Paul Bleakley, who studies digital sex markets. But the number of sites trying to tap them just keeps growing. “People say, ‘That’s so fun, you can make a website selling worn panties, and it’s easy!’” says Paul of SellYourPanties. Everyone, he adds, thinks they can do it better, or find an underserved portion of the market.

Simultaneously, notes Misssmithxxx , every few months a new wave of sellers crashes onto the sites, “usually following articles in the media claiming you can make $65,000 a year selling used panties, or sell pairs for $125 [each].” Summers are especially busy, adds Goddess Virgin, likely because college students decide to look for quick ways of making extra cash. These waves, even the one that followed the Orange is the New Black panty-selling arc, says Angulo, do subside for the most part. But some stay, and waves are common enough that overall, acknowledges Serena, “we may be reaching a tipping point wherein the number of sellers outnumber the buyers.”

This oversaturation and clear willingness to negotiate creates a buyer’s market, in which (usually) men all too often feel entitled to ask for whatever extras they want, from photos of girls wearing the panties to phone calls to Skype sessions to see the girls masturbating in the panties they’re selling.

This saturation makes sales a slog, but, believes Serena, “It is possible to make serious money once a regular clientele is established." Angulo adds that sellers who stick it out for at least two months tend to do well. But buyers still demand a certain amount of rapport from sellers. And even sellers with reliable customers note that their orders fluctuate radically from month to month. They can never stop hustling for new business. Making more per pair often requires special fetish touches—like piss, cum, or period blood.

And to really make good money, some sellers have to hybridize their panty sales with other forms of digital sex work, like selling custom videos or web camming. Paul of SellYourPanties notes that these services seem to be growing faster than outright panty sales. This makes sense, as non-fetishists are increasingly using these sites, sellers and operators agree, just to form ties with online sex workers. Goddess Virgin says she is able to make a good living, not just pocket change, off of her digital sex work, but largely because she had already done clips and domination services, then integrated them with her panty sales.

“If they wanted to make a career out of selling used panties,” says P.J. Patella-Rey, who studies digital sex work, “then yes,” sellers would have to fuse it with other forms of sex work today. And they couldn’t even do that casually, he says. They’d have to commit to it like a real job.

Most panty-focused sites seem to be slowly adjusting to facilitate other forms of digital sex work. This may put them on a collision course with camming and clip sites, which increasingly facilitate things like panty sales themselves, as a way for performers to make extra revenue. But the sites probably won’t fully converge into homogenous, all-purpose sexual services platforms. For some buyers and sellers alike, Patella-Rey points out, starting with a focus on panties is a good way to dip a toe into the digital sex industry without feeling too exposed or at risk. People can then decide to stick with panty-focused services, or expand from there. Many more cannot deal with these extra demands.

Still, it's pretty clear anyone serious about selling panties online has to do business through these pay sites, lest they get lost in a miserable sea of scamming dicks and their unsolicited pricks. Even then, only the most entrepreneurial and willing survive on these platforms, which provide a hard-won part-time income at best, unless providers are willing to go down the rabbit hole of additional digital sex services. All things told, says Mistress Kimberly, if folks are hoping to make quick cash on these sites, “they should find another craft, so to speak.”

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Years ago, in her early 20s, Nickie became friendly with one of the regulars where she was tending bar. He always came in with money to spend and would often banter with her, testing her limits in ways that she both welcomed and found exciting.

“He would often say things like, ‘Why don’t you come to my room?’" Nickie, who like other sources in this story asked to remain anonymous in order to protect her privacy, told us in a phone conversation. She often flirted with his propositions but ultimately rejected them. Then, one night, she agreed to a date.

They ate at an expensive sushi restaurant before moving on to a jazz club. Nickie worked at similar places before, but never imagined herself being a patron. After a few drinks and a set spent surreptitiously touching each other under the table, he asked—or, maybe, dared—Nickie to sell him the pantyhose she was currently wearing. With some negotiating, she slipped away to the bathroom and returned with the pantyhose now in her purse. There at the table they made the exchange: the balled up pantyhose for $300 in cash and cab fare.

Even years later, Nickie’s excitement is palpable over the phone. “After I sold him my pantyhose, I felt beaming and proud, I felt like I won something,” she said. “I was like, wow, my pantyhose… someone gives a fuck about them?”

The one-time transaction by a bartender dabbling in sex work with a regular customer offers a stark contrast to the idea, now fixed in our public imagination, of a thriving market for worn undergarments from anonymous women. Movie scenes of “panty raids,” stories of vending machines selling underwear worn by schoolgirls in Japan, subreddits dedicated to buying panties, and even entire purpose-built websites for panty sales all encourage us to believe that used panties are widely-sought fetish objects—detached from the context of a specific person or relationship.

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When you add the fact that the internet makes it possible for these transactions to be anonymous, between strangers, some women are beginning to muse about cashing in on their own panties. Could there really be such an easy and low risk way to get your hands on the same money as pornstars dancing in rap videos or strippers holding those stacks of cash on Instagram?

Charlotte Long decided to find out. Over the phone, she told us how she started selling panties: She was a single parent and educator in California, which didn’t quite pay the bills.

“This is so cliché, but I saw Orange is the New Black, and there as a season where [the main character] Piper was selling panties from the prison and making bank doing it,” she said. “I saw that and wanted to do it [too].”

Charlotte set up an ad on Pantydeal.com, a website dedicated to buying and selling used underwear, and sold five pairs of panties in the first week, tripling her grocery budget.

As she interacted with potential customers, she quickly discovered that most wanted panties that were worn for two or three days, so she began layering them under her jeans to maximize her output.

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After some initial success, however, Charlotte lost the “new girl attention boost” and sales slowed. It appeared that selling panties alone would not be a sustainable side hustle. In a moment of panic, she reached out to a friend who worked in public relations, and told her that she needed help.

“The education business is killing me, I am selling panties to buy groceries,” she admitted. This admission turned out to be an opening: To Charlotte’s surprise, the friend replied with a confession that the PR firm was a front, and that she was actually working as an escort. She offered to teach Charlotte the ropes.

While Nickie and Charlotte both jumped into sex work by selling used undergarments, many established sex workers started selling panties as an extra product, only after customers repeatedly expressed interest.

“I think I wore them for three days once and then I was like, man, I really don’t think I can do this any longer.”

“Honestly, I don’t know when the first time I sold panties was, but it was definitely related to camming." Canadian cam model GoAskAlex told us over the phone. "It would have been at the request of someone from cam.”

Similarly, fellow Canadian Melody Kush told us that she started selling her panties because regular clients requested it.

Clip producer and cam model Princess Berpl told us that she started selling panties after talking to regular clients about their desires. She recalls asking one of her clients “What can I do to make this special interaction even more special?” She said he responded, “I really, really like panties.”

In addition to online sex workers, some full service sex workers also see panties as an opportunity to upsell their services. Secondhand Rose, a current phone sex operator and retired escort said she sold panties for the first time during an appointment: “When I was escorting, I had a client who asked me for [panties] awkwardly at the end of our session, more or less in the phrasing of a souvenir of our time together. When it was broached that way, it didn’t seem weird to me, it was flattering.”

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Whether part of a dare, a brush with fame, or a keepsake of an experience, panties are often symbolic of something larger—most often, a moment within a relationship. That’s the exact opposite of anonymous encounter with the body of another person. In fact, even on Reddit, Craigslist, and dedicated panty sites, customers often crave interaction. These transaction are an opportunity for clients to express and seek validation for fantasies, or to feel valued. When sales are done locally, there is often an expectation that the seller will meet buyer in a public setting, serving as a de facto date (or, at least, an opportunity face-to-face interaction).

Few panty sales, then, are truly anonymous. To the degree that customers exist who might be willing to make these sorts of anonymous transactions, panty sellers still must compete with other kinds of sex workers who have established brands and clientele. Women seeking to exclusively sell panties may have to do comparably more work per sale than their established counterparts. But what, exactly, goes into making a sale?

The Work

Despite widespread media representations suggesting that sex work, in general, and selling panties, in particular, is a source of easy money, the reality is that this work only seems easy because most of it is invisible.

Charlotte’s background in education did not prepare her for the constant client negotiation of sex work. “I kept falling into these [time-wasting] traps, and I didn’t really have a sex work mentor to teach me these things,” she said. “I had to figure that out the hard way.”

Many of the interactions she had with potential clients didn’t lead to any sales at all; she had to learn when to back out. On the message boards on pantydeal.com, she said that “there were a lot of guys who just wanted to chat all day, and you would do it in hopes of making a sale.”

Berpl tried advertising on Reddit, but said that a lot of the interactions there were would-be customers just “bullshitting.”

“The customers have this desire for panties, but they don’t actually want the real thing,” Berpl said. “A lot of it is time wasting.”

Despite the fact that many customers are time wasters, getting any sales at all requires engaging with everyone. “In order to get successful and consistent sales, you have to jump on every enquiry,” Melody said. While in the past she has asked her viewers who asked about panties to send her an email that she can follow up on when she gets off cam, she has found that this isn’t very effective. Instead, she needed to stop her show, get their email, and make sure to follow up on those requests. “There is no such thing as easy money in this industry,” she commented.

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It isn’t simply worn panties that the clients want. They often want them to be worn for a certain number of days, or to be cum in, or to be a part of a video that they also buy. Most of the sex workers that we talked to described wearing the panties for multiple days to be one of the hardest parts.

“Some would ask me to wear them for three to five days,” Alex said. “I think I wore them for three days once and then I was like, man, I really don’t think I can do this any longer.”

Melody said, “I try to be flexible but I have my own rules to abide by so that it doesn’t get out of control. If they want me to wear them for seven days, I tell them it's a hygiene risk.”

Even just finding time in a seller's schedule to wear these panties for clients can be tricky. “Finding a strategic time to wear them long enough so that they are to the liking of my customer is the hardest part for me.” Melody said. “Between shark week [when she is on her period] and finding comfortable times to wear them, the scheduling of this is the hardest part.”

For Rose, scheduling is a big part of the reason that no longer takes orders from customers who she doesn’t already have an established relationship with. “It is all a bit hectic to me. The way it works best for me is through clients.”

Nine year veteran MyFreeCams model Miss Lollipop, who has has only sold panties in conjunction with camming, says that she will often make videos of herself cumming in panties prior to shipping them off.

Most of the people we interviewed learned that selling panties isn’t as simple as popping them in the mail and sending them off. “When I first started I wore the panties and sealed them up. I didn’t know you had to dry them out first before you packaged them, otherwise they would get mildew-y," Berpl said. She went on to explain that they have to be dry, “otherwise all of the bacteria that is on your body gets trapped in the packaging.”

Alex ran into a similar situation. Early in her panty selling career, she had a customer from Florida purchase her panties and she shipped them right before a hurricane hit the region. Mail was stopped for a long period of time, and when he finally got them a few months later, the client said they were a moldy, disgusting mess.

The Money

Prospective panty sellers are attracted to the possibility of a high markup on something relatively inexpensive. But, it’s often not that simple. Rose said, “I don’t think it is as lucrative as most articles in the last 10 years have made it out to be. You have to take photos, you have to wear them. There are logistics to this stuff.”

The established models we talked to generally sell their panties for about $75, though more famous models can charge $100 to $150 or possibly even more. Charlotte plans to return to panty sales when she retires from escorting later this year, and wants to leverage her existing client base, as well as a series of self produced porn clips, to fetch prices in excess of these figures.

But using $75 as a baseline, most of these models make these sales on the platforms they use for other online sex work. These platforms keep around 40 percent of the sale price to cover the cost payment processing and their own profits, leaving models with a payout of approximately $45. Subtract domestic shipping from that, which Miss Lollipop reports is “usually around $5-6” and you’re left with $40 per pair.

Sellers also have to factor in the cost of the panties themselves. Sometimes this can be avoided. “I sell cheap panties or panties I would be throwing out,” Miss Lollipop said.

In some cases, the cost of panties is nominal, but a typical seller will only have access to so many worn-out panties. Ultimately, sellers have to eat the cost of panties, which can be anywhere from $3-15. Once we factor in an average of $10 for the costs of the panties revenue from the sale drops to about $30.

Finally, we have to factor in taxes, which will be around 35 percent for middle income independent contractors, and sellers are left with a net profit of $20 on a $75 panty sale.

This does not include the extras like packaging. Alex customizers her panty packages with nude stickers, wrapping paper, thank-you cards or photos from photo shoots.

Image courtesy Charlotte Long

Berpl points out that while we can go through the financial costs associated with panty sales, it doesn’t get at the emotional labor that goes into the sales.

“The bigger cost is the cost that it takes to interact with people,” she said. “They will hang on you forever and hang it over your head.” One customer bought a pair recently and and the asked her, “Hey sweetheart, I have a question, what is someone so beautiful like you doing in a business like this?” Having to determine how to handle invasive and inappropriate questions such as these become part of the labor of the transaction.

To avoid having such interactions just to make low profit sales, Rose decided to only sell panties as an add-on item with other services. She has one client who buys a pair of panties from her every month, with a hard copy of an erotic fiction series that he also purchases from her.

“Usually, I don’t have to do anything fancy for him,” she said. “I will pick nice ones, and I change him an extra $50 for them.” Despite the upcharge for expensive panties, she considers the panty sale worthwhile because it enhances other, more profitable services. She says, “I come out ahead because I get paid for the custom story and the phone call before or afterward. And it builds a connection for us.”

The Risk

These transactions all come with significant risks. Safety is major concern for sellers. Rose worries about inexperienced sellers on sites like Reddit. “My heart always goes: ‘Is everyone safe?’ It seems like a vulnerable exposure for both parties,” she said.

Berpl recalled that when she first started selling panties, she didn’t know how to keep her own information safe, and I had to research it—like avoiding going to the post office right next to her home address. Miss Lollipop follows safety precautions like using a P.O. box. Paying for a P.O. box and all driving around to various post offices dips even further into sellers’ bottom lines.

Established, full-time sex workers may already be doing these things, already selling a range of products of high volume, and, this, already absorbing these costs; however, for new sellers seeking to exclusively market panties, purchasing and traveling to a distant P.O. box may be a serious financially obstacle. In sex work, like other industries, there are benefits that come from economies of scale.

Melody explains that frequent trips to the post office can be a problem for another reason: It raises the suspicion of postal workers. Some sellers worry that worn panties could be classified as biological materials and thus illegal to ship. According to USPS, shippers are not allowed to ship anything that contains body fluids. When asked about restrictions to mailing used undergarments, a spokesperson for the U.S. Postal Service told Motherboard that it is “mailable with no restriction unless it’s emitting obnoxious odors.”

Whether there is enough biological materials on panties is probably up for interpretation, but this is something that sellers have to consider. Once when asked what she sells in these tiny packages, Melody panicked and said, “I knit dog booties.”

“There is a reason why people buy panties, it is a real and tangible connection"

But while some things like P.O. boxes are simple fixes, there are other privacy concerns that are more difficult to navigate. Customers sometimes ask invasive questions about sexually transmitted infection status, which are typically reserved only for sexual partners, and, in that sense, begin to treat panty sellers as though they were sexual partners.

“It makes me so uncomfortable that someone who I am not engaged with sexually could blame for me something that they got,” Berpl said. She refuses to entertain these questions. “It doesn’t feel like information I should provide. What they do with my panties is up to them. I am not advertising my panties as something that they can put their dick in.”

Customers may ask other sorts of invasive questions, as well, under the guise of seeking verification that the seller is indeed the one who has worn the panties. Rose found this process off-putting. “I started to wonder if they were going to request a DNA test next. This is, in every way, supposed to be a fantasy,” she said, “and fantasy is not supposed to be verifiable.”

The Fantasy

Most customers’ desire for panties is driven by something more than pheromones or other biological stimuli. Interest in worn panties isn’t just about what they are, it’s about what they represent. Panties are being sold for their symbolic value.

In the most basic sense, panties are a connection to the body of another person. They offer an indirect way to smell and touch and have an intimate sort of knowledge about someone else’s body. “There is a reason why people buy panties, it is a real and tangible connection,” Rose said.

Berpl describes the desire for closeness. “A lot of guys want to wear them to be close to me. They don’t want to be in my shoes, they want to be in my panties,” she said.

Panty sales also facilitate interaction. The process of planning and arranging a sale is not an obstacle but an opportunity for the buyer to be recognized by a person they are attracted to or admire. In this way, panties become a conduit to the other person. The opportunity to have an interaction is an important part of what makes panties valuable for the customer. The sale makes a customer feel visible and known to the seller.

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Panties can also act as a keepsake or souvenir that holds a cherished memory. Rose, who previously talked about panties in terms of a souvenir, recalled that the first time she sold panties was when she was working as an escort and had a client who wanted something to remember their evening by. Similarly, Berpl describes panties as “memorabilia” for fans who interact with her online. Miss Lollipop once had a regular wasn’t typically into panties but bought them from her in person at a convention.

“He would not normally spend that amount of money, it was a big deal to him,” Miss Lollipop said. “But he was excited by the fact that I took off what I was wearing at the convention and gave them to him.” The panties were a keepsake from the time he met her.

Panties as souvenirs can represent a brush with fame. It’s a way of connecting to celebrities analogous to an autograph. In this case, the value of a pair of worn panties may also depend on other people’s recognitions of the seller’s prominence. Berpl explained the perspective of her buyers: “I like that you have a following, that is sexy to me that someone is desired and I can have some sort of part of that.“

She said that without fame, it is much harder to sell panties for a reasonable price. “If you don’t have a face on the internet, I think it would be really hard to sell things like panties.”

Melody agrees that a degree of online fame is required for panty selling to be viable: “In terms of actually making a living off panty sales, I don’t think that anyone can actually do that without [having built] a platform. You would need some genius marketing to do that.”

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How To Sell Used Panties

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Once your account is created, you'll need to flesh out your profile, so hit edit, and start writing. Men who buy used panties want to know who they're talking to; personalize your profile with some details about your life: your interests and hobbies, what you do for fun, or what you enjoy most about panty selling. Here, you could also explain if you cater to any special requests, or if you have some specific products you offer.

Next, click the 'plus' icon to add some photos to your profile. Do you have any cute costumes or sexy lingerie that makes you feel fabulous? This is a great chance to show that off and showcase your personality. When taking photos, make sure that they're well lit. You don't have to show your face; that is your choice. Be creative, be yourself, and have fun!

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Create your first shop item! Click the 'plus' icon, then Add Listing and describe what your used panties for sale, the price, and a photo of the product. Here you can describe any add on services you offer - extra days of wear, creampie, etc. - and their cost. Add tags to your item to increase searchability. For example: the material, color, style, and condition of your panties. It is best to list items over a span of time; your listings will be more visible to buyers when not clustered together. You can create listings for other lingerie items, photos/videos, and items of your choice.

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